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  1. Ah if you include Toledo area universities the same size as those other ones you listed, the number jumps way up (Lourdes, Mercy, Eastern Michigan, Riverside, Terra, Adrian, Davis, - the list goes on). WAY higher than four universities in the area. There are well over a dozen schools within 40 miles of downtown (seems to be conservative compared to distances you are using for Dayton). It would be pointless to count every little private school, since there's so damn many of them and they are more random in nature. Since when is Cedarville a decently sized university? It is smaller than some high schools at under 3,000 students. It sounds like you are fishing...:wink: Fishing? When Eastern Michigan and Adrian AREN'T fishing? Eastern Michigan is in Ypsilanti and Adrian is way near Jackson. Dayton might as well "fish" to OSU, Ohio U, IUPUI, and freakin' Indiana University. Sorry, all the univeristies I mentioned are within a 20 minute drive of downtown Dayton; Eastern Michigan and Adrian are NOT 20 minute drives from Toledo, sorry. I'm not fishin'. There are only a couple sizable privates in the state (UD's about it with 10,000 students and that's still smaller than publics). Btw, I forgot about Eastern Michigan. They should be counted too as Toledo since they allow Ohioans to pay in-state tuition and have a campus in Monroe about 30 miles from downtown. That's much closer than Central State is to Dayton or Bustown. Central State is only 4 miles from Xenia, which is a Dayton "suburb." Sorry, Eastern Michigan, no. That's just silly. It's Detroit. Hell, count University of Michigan and Wayne State if you need to. Regardless, none of this explains why the Toledo area has the two big publics instead of one. I used to think it was the Michigan thing, but the populations don't work out right now that I think about it. It is quirky. Maybe Ohio figured Toledo would have gotten much larger than it is. It was poised to become the next Chicago in the early 1900's (it still is the 5th largest transportation hub in America). Obviously, it never became the next Chicago, and that could add to the reason UT can't fill their school on top of its academic standing. I guess that's the best theory I can come up with right now. Not really. Bowling Green, Kent, Miami, and OU are the MAC schools in the state's four corners. Toledo, Akron, blah blah, who really cares; they are all just state public schools. Bottom line is that the Toledo area has less "universities" than the rest of the regional cities due to size. Akron can claim Kent and Akron and both are well inside it's MSA (700,000) and are closer to their respective city than Bowling Green (20 miles away) and UT are to Toledo. Perhaps it is because of Toledo's lack of "other schools" that the state decided to give it two or simply a reason to go to another part of Ohio. Though I would've guessed the Toledo area would have another school in its region besides those two.
  2. Comparatively, perhaps Ohio's most "integrated" Metro Cincinnati (or should I say, most spread pockets; least concentration)...
  3. The majority of black Toledo I can guarentee live within the central city or around it. They either live near or IN ghettos (again, the MAJORITY; not all). Hell, even Columbus and Dayton can claim "white ghettos" and Latino areas of "ghetto." But to be completely real, sorry, there is no "integrated" hood except for parts each cities' ghettos. Toledo may lack a sizeable black population (if that is what you are getting at) but the city is not "scott free" in terms of "integration." Every city in this state has an "integrated" impoverished area but the majority of them have a large black population that are under the poverty line. It is more likely that an impoverished area is going to have higher crime than a non-poverish area, so it is no surprised that parts of Cleveland city, Cincinnati's basin, west Dayton, east Akron, most of Youngstown (:D), east Columbus and parts of central Toledo are going to be/have crime and are majority black (since blacks have been struggling for YEARS to get an education and such). Toledo might be more like the Ohio version of Downriver (Detroit), Michigan, in which there is a high white population living below the poverty line and with a scattering of blacks throughout (which is entirely possible, as the River Rouge area isn't that far from Toledo; shit 20ish miles) but I have yet to see a "hardcore" ghetto area of Ohio that is majority white except for perhaps parts of Hilltop in Columbus. Well, either that or Toledo simply lacks "ghetto" and is just simply overabundant of lower-middle class living in "not-bad-but-not-good" living conditions. When I mean GHETTO, I mean Over-the-Rhine, Westwood (Dayton), East Cleveland, Near East (Columbus), Arlington (Akron), and such. THEN there are just impoverished areas of crime such as Roosevelt (Dayton), Evanston (Cincinnati), Hilltop (Columbus), parts of Glenville (Cleveland), and the aforementioned Visutla (Toledo). What I know of and talk to friends in Toledo is that "black people are in the ghetto and white people are either in the city or in the burbs." Generalization, sure, but it isn't exactly a worthy praise for an "integrated" city. Basically, it should not be any sort of shock to any urban Ohioan to see a ghetto and think "wow, there are black people here!" It's a shame but it's America. Think beyond the notion that all cities and all ghettos are the same. I can explain the history to you. I've studied this in great depth, but it would take a new thread. Who hasn't in urban planning? lol Simple analysis of the "segregation" that plagues Ohio's metro/cities.
  4. Remember, Dayton has Central State, Wilbeforce, Sinclair CC (which is Ohio's largest school community college on a single campus; Owens is between Findlay and Toledo; Tri-CCC is all over Cuyahoga County), Wittenburg, UD, Wright State, Cedarville, blah blah etc. So Dayton's MSA has two public universities and many other decently size univerities. Ditto with Cincinnati, Cleveland, and even Columbus. It seems Toledo only has 4ish? Which sounds about right for that size; it's interesting that two are public while the third is a community college.
  5. To me, it's not a race thing. Toledo's ghettos are black. Dayton's ghetto's are black. Cleveland's ghettos are black. Columbus' ghettos are black. Cincinnati's ghettos are black. Youngstown's ghettos are black. Akron's ghettos are black. Even Steubenville's ghettos are black. So nobody should be surprised of the amount of segregation of classes in ANY Ohio city. What makes Over-the-Rhine stand out from other ghettos of Ohio are two factors: the intimidation factor and the built-environment. It is easily Ohio's most "hardcore" ghetto in terms of reputation, "feel," and perhaps "where do I go" type of feeling (since OTR's streets CAN be confusing, can be intimidating [in terms of people out 24/7]). It mirrors west Baltimore and perhaps sections of uptown Harlem in that sense (except Harlem is mostly grid; OTR switches it; Baltimore's is more hilly). It's very unique for a Midwest neighborhood to have such a feeling (yet at the same time, knowing Cincinnati's history, it makes perfect sense for having an "East Coast" neighborhood).
  6. Actually, I enjoy using it. It's much better than some other cities in Ohio's bus systems. Granted, I live near campus and I use the bus religiously but hey, I lived in Columbus for three years without a car; I never complained.
  7. Well, you have to remember (regarding Metro Cincinnati) that it has UC, Xavier (Catholic) and Northern Kentucky (which is a Kentucky public school of decent size). So yes, Metro Cincinnati does have 2 (technically, 3; Miami) public universities (as NKY gives in-state tuition to Ohio and Indiana). Also, I would not count Youngstown as part of Cleveland's public schools. Youngstown State can be split and Youngstown is not a part of Metro Cleveland (unless Dayton wants to include The Ohio State University :D).
  8. I'll get you, one of these days NJAIM!!!
  9. Never thought about that, actually. Interesting. But then again, Northwest Ohio is basically the size of Metropolitan Dayton, and Dayton has several "large" public schools as well. But then again, Dayton is in a more populated region. Interesting about Northwest Ohio.
  10. Lima (west), Mansfield (central), and Steubenville (east) all feel the same size (tallest is art-deco,setback) and are interestingly ALL in a row. IIIInnnteresting...
  11. Over-the-Rhine borders downtown Cincinnati, so it's "spillage" effect is going to hit suburbanites when they think of "downtown Cincinnati."
  12. ColDayMan


    You've both been warned.
  13. http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2005/08/22/daily8.html?jst=b_ln_hl YIPEE! Newport...the next Covington. Bellevue, the next Newport. Dayton, the next Bellevue.
  14. There is a difference between being upset and moving on than being upset and just whining about the doom/gloom card. To me, move on. Ohio is a progressive state (well, it was but it still can be). As another Clevelander said "screw em" and move on. They clearly had an intention to leave. Their loss. Sure, Cleveland's loss too but hell, Somebody is getting these Fortune 500 companies and it could very well be Cleveland.
  15. you gotta be kidding me cdm. holy toledo this just happened the other day. what you are reading here is called grief. the "get over it" part comes later, but not five freakin minutes later! Hardly an excuse. When Cinergy was consolidated with Duke, did you read Cincinnati forumers gloom and doom about how we need to retool our thinking? No. It's how America works. Sorry, count your blessings that you still have Fortune 500 companies that you could invest and grow with. My hometown has one left. One. But alas.
  16. Get over it. Cincinnati lost Cinergy (a Fortune 500 company) and Dayton lost Mead (to freakin' Conneticut). But ya gotta move on. Count your losses and move on.
  17. I always thought the bikeway system here was really underrated and not pushed enough. I think its pretty extensive...what would be neat if there would be a bike rental shop next to the bikeway.... Totally agreed. ...a good place for that would be in Old North Dayton, as there is a connector with the bikeway at that little buisness district at Valley & Troy.... Either that or Wright-Dunbar.
  18. ^Yes. The Palm Cout, which is at the base of the tower.
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