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  1. Legally, yes you're right. I can't speak for other departments but administratively our General Police Orders spell out what is expected of us. People have received days off and even fired for violating our GPOs (Timothy Loemann as an example you are aware of). Some police departments go above and beyond legal minimums, so when officers aren't criminally charged, they are, at the least, admin reprimanded or terminated. Is that the type of system one should want? I think we can all say no. But it is a tool departments are using more and more often to get around union protections, etc. Edit: excuse the errors, I really need to stop replying from my phone.
  2. I was downtown Thursday night, the flats east bank wasn't touched from what I saw.
  3. Everyone who was off had their off days cancelled. Literally the entire police force is going to be on shift tomorrow.
  4. I haven't been called in yet but I know they're calling everyone up whose off for C platoon. Protests are starting to pop up at district stations. I know the national guard is on stand by and has been mobilizing all day.
  5. Ya. They're calling all of c platoon in early to cover the most manpower in the districts.
  6. In Ohio it's a little different because is requires prior calculation and design as well as purposeful intent.l for agg murder. I can buy that they could charge him with it, though I would say they would be better to just stick him with murder which only requires the mens rea of knowingly opposed to purposely. Though remember this is Ohio and our statute for agg murder would be comparable to Minnesota's murder of the first degree.
  7. Oh I know. But we were talking about the specific statute that was posted on here that was first degree murder in Minnesota. That did require intent. I then realized Minnesota is different than Ohio and has multiple degrees of murder opposed to naming them other things.
  8. Honestly I think the really spot on. Alot of lazy people just associate being poor with being African Americab and vice versa. Even poor white people don't think they're poor in the same way African Americans are.
  9. It for sure Is. I've heard through the police grapevine that alot of the arrested have out of state IDs. To back that theory up my buddy who was in the Mizzou National Guard when Ferguson happened got deployed to there. He said almost everyone they arrested was from the coasts.
  10. The news just likes to post the shocking stuff. Not the actual peaceful protests by the actual Minneapolis black community. It's a sad world we live in.
  11. Ahh got it. I only read the statutes posted up here. That's my bad then, I just assumed Minnesota was like Ohio where you have Agg Murder, Murder, involuntary manslaughter, voluntary manslaughter, etc.
  12. I'm trying to figure out what the problem is? Manslaughter is for sure. Sure they charged him with murder but I personally doubt that will stick unless he admitted he did it with intent. You can charge anyone with anything. Who cares whose right or wrong. It's all just our opinions anyhow. This is devolving to a high school fight about who has the moral high ground. It's sort of weird.
  13. I would say police hiring atleast in Cleveland is going the opposite direction. They're training people to be guardians not warriors. That's only been like that for maybe a half decade now and reform doesn't happen overnight. The militarization occured after the LA county bank robbery were cops with pistols were outgunned by armed criminals with barrel mag AK47s. It was a total bloodbath and it scared the crap out of every department. I think that having high powered rifles and an armoured cars is essential to policing, but a department doesn't need to be armed to the teeth. In Cleveland we only have about 100 ARs and people trained to use them, and we have like two armored vehicles used by SWAT. We only recently got riot gear (mine doesn't even fit me) and have a field force team that is rarely used. Having the tools is important, but you don't need to be arming your entire force with them for daily use. You just need them around for the few times it's needed to keep people alive (example: success tech). By the way. The training practices aren't bad. I will tell you right now what that Minnesota officer did is one hundred percent the opposite of what you are trained to do. As soon as you handcuff someone and they are on the ground you need to get them off their belly so as to avoid positional asphyxiation. Knee to the neck is a definite obvious no. So let's not pretend officers are poorly trained. They just ignore their training. Bad hiring will always be tough, no one wants to do the job and it's hard to find enough squeaky clean qualified people that represent the demographic that you're policing. On top of that every suburb around you pays twice as much to do a fraction of the work. Edit: sorry if my grammar is bad, I always respond in my phone and I should probably stop doing that.
  14. Welcome to having a union that's job is to defend your rights as a union paying member. And no this isn't an anti union statement, it's just a fact statement about what police unions are set up to do. Particularly when department have multiple unions, one for the brass and one for basic patrol officers, no one wants to give up bargaining power and they protect their own at all costs. Then it takes a manslaughter to get a sh*tty officer off the force.
  15. Judging by that statute be won't be charged with Murder. It be impossible barring a statement from the officer to prove premeditation. I wonder what their manslaughter statutes look like.
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