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  1. Banshee and Mystic Timbers have been pretty highly regarded and Banshee was a record-breaker. They might go with something big. My money is on the first real T-Rex coaster in 2022
  2. The company that made Vortex, Arrow Dynamics, went out of business quite a while ago and more parks are tearing down their old Arrow loopers with only a few being refurbished. KI had a tendency to run Vortex at max capacity with three trains instead of two. This meant that if trains got stacked at the station, they'd have to really slam the breaks in order to stop trains. As sad as I am to see Vortex go (it was my favorite Arrow looper) its time was coming. Now they can put another coaster in that spot in a few years. Maybe a T-Rex or an infinity coaster.
  3. The underground area could be team offices. At Vivint Arena in SLC, they have all of their team offices below the main entrance steps. That could be the office lobby that you're seeing.
  4. A dock makes perfect sense IMO. You don't have to be "rich" to own a boat and with the new music venue, Reds, Bengals, Fireworks, and festivals having a place for people to tie up and go to a restaurant on shore would be a good idea.
  5. A couple of thoughts. First; doesn't the water works have to remove their mains if the city/county wants to use the tunnels again. Has that changed in recent years? Secondly, I think the ship has probably sailed on using the tunnels for light rail anyway since the streetcar was installed with the ability to run light rail trains on its tracks. I think you're more likely to see any future light rail share at least a part of the current streetcar ROW and run along the streets like we see in Salt Lake City's downtown area.
  6. Cincinnati missed the boat on the arena when UC decided to renovate 5/3. The city/county should have pushed UC to use a renovated US Bank and the city/county should have tried to work with the Brown family to make the lease deal more palatable so that UC could have played at PBS on a permanent basis. That ship has sailed and UC is stuck in the AAC because of it. The silver lining is that UC got a renovated Nippert and 5/3 out of the deal and FC Cincinnati probably wouldn't have happened had it not been for the whole Nippert renovation. Honestly, they should try to build a new arena and convention center at the old IRS site in Covington so US Bank could be torn down for more residential units.
  7. Welcome to the world of stadium design: DC United Rendering Final product
  8. I've been lurking this thread for a while and as a displaced Cincinnatian living in SLC this whole thing just reeks of "only in Cincinnati". I'll use our local MLS team as an example since I'm a season ticket holder and I've been going to games regularly for six years. Despite its terrible location in the suburb of Sandy (the owner of the Jazz didn't want an MLS team playing in SLC proper) there are a couple of analogous comparisons to the West End stadium in Cincinnati. The majority of parking for the stadium is permit-only so most patrons have to either take our light rail system or park in a private lot and walk a couple of blocks to the stadium. A typical Utah block is about double the size of a standard city block. When we park, our typical walk is between 10-15 minutes and ranges from .25 to .07 mile. From the nearest TRAX stop, it's a 12-minute .06 mile walk and literally thousands of fans do this for every game. Walking from TRAX or any parking to the east of the stadium requires crossing SR 89 (State St.). This is a six-lane monstrosity of a thorofare with a lane separating divider in the middle. Guess what! They don't close the street and instead just have police officers controlling the light at the corner of State and Stadium Way (which is an access road they close). Thousands of people cross State St. and there's never an issue. Adding to this is the fact that there's literally nothing to do around the stadium unless you tailgate. There aren't many restaurants to speak of so traffic in and out is at a crush volume and it works. You don't really have the option to go somewhere and hang out before and after the game like you do in Cincinnati. When I see comments like, "we have to close Central Pkwy" or "People won't walk from the streetcar or other garages" I have to laugh. I live in one of the most poorly-planned anti-urban cities in the country with a population that sees single-family sprawl as morally right. If we can make it work in Salt Lake, there's no reason why FC Cincy can't have a 25,000 seat stadium and keep Central Pkwy open and let the rest of the city handle parking. I'm not going to weigh in on the Music Hall issue other than to say that it seems like 12 dbs would be about as loud as a full symphony hall anyway.
  9. Cool update. I love Cities Skylines but I'm going to need to get a better system to run it at optimal levels. What kind of setup do you have? I'd also suggest downloading the no more atomic wasteland mod or something similar that keeps the industrial areas from turning brown and gross.
  10. I'd reallllllllly love to see a relegation and promotion set up. Absolute travesty that the players that essentially built the club won't be able to enjoy the fruits of their labor. An additional few signings is obviously necessary, but bleh. That doesn't happen in pro/rel leagues. Typically, a team gets promoted to the top level, takes on a bunch of debt to get players that will help them stay up and if it fails; they unload those players.
  11. I'm a Cincinnati expat living in Salt Lake. For four of the past five years, I've had season tickets to our local MLS team (Real Salt Lake) and I've gone on a few road trips to check out RSL on the road. Previously, I went to as many Crew games as I could so I'll chime in. The MLS season runs from March until November for most teams so there will be a home match basically every-other weekend. Now if FCC decides to sponsor a NWSL team (which they should), there will be another permanent resident in the stadium. During the season there's also, US Open Cup and CONCACAF Champions League. Every two years there will be the Gold Cup, which is played in MLS stadiums. Cincinnati will also be able to bid on US national team friendlies, NCAA College Cup, as well as other sports like lacrosse and rugby. I'd imagine that local high schools will also use the venue for soccer and football events. As for the affect on the neighborhood. The FCC stadium will be one of the more urban stadiums in the league with bars, restaurants, etc all within an easy walk or streetcar ride from the stadium. Many of the early MLS stadiums including RSL's, are located out in the souless suburbs with nothing nearby. RSL, LA Galaxy, Colorado, Columbus, etc all have the problem of being far from any pre/post game activities. Basically, the only thing that RSL's stadium has going for it is its access to our light rail system but even then, you have to walk probably .25 miles across a six-lane highway to get to the stadium. FCC's stadium will be more like Portland's stadium, which is right in the middle of a neighborhood. Depending on the team, Cincinnati will see some out of town visitors. I don't know if Portland and Seattle fans will travel like they do out west but Atlanta has a good following and hopefully other local teams will travel well like Chicago, Columbus and Indy (if they ever move up). In general, I'm not a fan of public money going to build stadiums but 99% of the time, that's the voters' fault. The FCC deal is one of the better ones that I've seen. CPS gets a new football and track stadium, FCC builds a great downtown venue that will have one of the best locations in the league, and the city isn't on the hook for hundreds of millions of dollars. A lot of the opposition I've seen has to do with either a complete lack of understanding of who MLS's core demographic is (it's not soccer moms, unless you count those of us millenials that have kids), a general dislike of soccer and/or the ownership, and anger that Cranley is backing the stadium. I can't stand the man and I think he's bad for the city, but I also think this is the best stadium deal Cincy is going to get. The stadium is also right next to a subway stop and so any future investment in rail transit could run right by the stadium.
  12. Riverfront was passable only. It wasn't a very good venue for either baseball or football. Riverfront, Veterans Stadium, Three Rivers, all of the cookie-cutter stadiums weren't very good, especially when compared to venues like Dodger Stadium and Kaufman which were built around the same time. Now, we can argue that Crosley Field should have been renovated and the Bengals should have had their own stand-alone stadium, or we can argue that the stadium deal for PBS and GABP was bad (it was) but that's on the voters. Interestingly enough, several of the most recent generation of MLB parks are hitting the 20+ year mark in age, and with only a few exceptions, there's really not a big movement to replace any of them.
  13. I've only just started researching this who debacle but where exactly would an outdoor venue fit? It seems like parcel 13 would be a great spot for an outdoor concert venue similar to what we have in Salt Lake at Red Butte Garden
  14. In the early days of MLS (basically anything before 2009) the only places that teams could get stadiums built were in the outskirts of towns. Anyone thinking that the FCC stadium deal is a mess should really look in to why we have our MLS stadium in Utah in Sandy rather than Salt Lake City proper. The only thing it has going for it is that it's a nice a stadium and it's right next to a light rail line. Now, MLS has proven that it's not going to die, the demographic that grew up playing soccer is growing up, and the US has developed its own soccer culture. I've been to MLS games in SLC, Seattle and I've been to Portland's stadium for an FCS football game. I can say that outside of the two Pacific Northwest teams, a stadium in the West End and/or Newport would be one of the better locations in the league. Oakley would still be better than 75% of the league as well but the West End and Newport would be awesome.
  15. Oh the West End will gentrify. The CitiRama site that FCC wants to turn into a new football stadium will instead become a bunch of expensive town homes along with the real estate development areas that FCC currently has the option on to the west of John St. There's far too much vacant property in the West End for it not to gentrify.
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