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  1. JaceTheAce41

    FC Cincinnati Discussion

    I'd reallllllllly love to see a relegation and promotion set up. Absolute travesty that the players that essentially built the club won't be able to enjoy the fruits of their labor. An additional few signings is obviously necessary, but bleh. That doesn't happen in pro/rel leagues. Typically, a team gets promoted to the top level, takes on a bunch of debt to get players that will help them stay up and if it fails; they unload those players.
  2. I'm a Cincinnati expat living in Salt Lake. For four of the past five years, I've had season tickets to our local MLS team (Real Salt Lake) and I've gone on a few road trips to check out RSL on the road. Previously, I went to as many Crew games as I could so I'll chime in. The MLS season runs from March until November for most teams so there will be a home match basically every-other weekend. Now if FCC decides to sponsor a NWSL team (which they should), there will be another permanent resident in the stadium. During the season there's also, US Open Cup and CONCACAF Champions League. Every two years there will be the Gold Cup, which is played in MLS stadiums. Cincinnati will also be able to bid on US national team friendlies, NCAA College Cup, as well as other sports like lacrosse and rugby. I'd imagine that local high schools will also use the venue for soccer and football events. As for the affect on the neighborhood. The FCC stadium will be one of the more urban stadiums in the league with bars, restaurants, etc all within an easy walk or streetcar ride from the stadium. Many of the early MLS stadiums including RSL's, are located out in the souless suburbs with nothing nearby. RSL, LA Galaxy, Colorado, Columbus, etc all have the problem of being far from any pre/post game activities. Basically, the only thing that RSL's stadium has going for it is its access to our light rail system but even then, you have to walk probably .25 miles across a six-lane highway to get to the stadium. FCC's stadium will be more like Portland's stadium, which is right in the middle of a neighborhood. Depending on the team, Cincinnati will see some out of town visitors. I don't know if Portland and Seattle fans will travel like they do out west but Atlanta has a good following and hopefully other local teams will travel well like Chicago, Columbus and Indy (if they ever move up). In general, I'm not a fan of public money going to build stadiums but 99% of the time, that's the voters' fault. The FCC deal is one of the better ones that I've seen. CPS gets a new football and track stadium, FCC builds a great downtown venue that will have one of the best locations in the league, and the city isn't on the hook for hundreds of millions of dollars. A lot of the opposition I've seen has to do with either a complete lack of understanding of who MLS's core demographic is (it's not soccer moms, unless you count those of us millenials that have kids), a general dislike of soccer and/or the ownership, and anger that Cranley is backing the stadium. I can't stand the man and I think he's bad for the city, but I also think this is the best stadium deal Cincy is going to get. The stadium is also right next to a subway stop and so any future investment in rail transit could run right by the stadium.
  3. Riverfront was passable only. It wasn't a very good venue for either baseball or football. Riverfront, Veterans Stadium, Three Rivers, all of the cookie-cutter stadiums weren't very good, especially when compared to venues like Dodger Stadium and Kaufman which were built around the same time. Now, we can argue that Crosley Field should have been renovated and the Bengals should have had their own stand-alone stadium, or we can argue that the stadium deal for PBS and GABP was bad (it was) but that's on the voters. Interestingly enough, several of the most recent generation of MLB parks are hitting the 20+ year mark in age, and with only a few exceptions, there's really not a big movement to replace any of them.
  4. I've only just started researching this who debacle but where exactly would an outdoor venue fit? It seems like parcel 13 would be a great spot for an outdoor concert venue similar to what we have in Salt Lake at Red Butte Garden
  5. In the early days of MLS (basically anything before 2009) the only places that teams could get stadiums built were in the outskirts of towns. Anyone thinking that the FCC stadium deal is a mess should really look in to why we have our MLS stadium in Utah in Sandy rather than Salt Lake City proper. The only thing it has going for it is that it's a nice a stadium and it's right next to a light rail line. Now, MLS has proven that it's not going to die, the demographic that grew up playing soccer is growing up, and the US has developed its own soccer culture. I've been to MLS games in SLC, Seattle and I've been to Portland's stadium for an FCS football game. I can say that outside of the two Pacific Northwest teams, a stadium in the West End and/or Newport would be one of the better locations in the league. Oakley would still be better than 75% of the league as well but the West End and Newport would be awesome.
  6. Oh the West End will gentrify. The CitiRama site that FCC wants to turn into a new football stadium will instead become a bunch of expensive town homes along with the real estate development areas that FCC currently has the option on to the west of John St. There's far too much vacant property in the West End for it not to gentrify.
  7. Many natural grass playing fields require heating and life support systems for the grass. You might be able to house some of that inside the old beer cellars, if it's not a hazard to do so.
  8. You could conceivably place the concourse on street level like they have at GABP. Based on Berding's comment, I wouldn't be surprised to see the stadium set up with most of the suites on one side and general seating on the other. It would make sense to orient that stadium North South so the Central Pkwy stands might be the main spectator stands with the suites, offices, etc on the John St. side.
  9. JaceTheAce41

    Major League Sports Expansions / Relocations

    OKC plays in a renovated older arena. The NBA would be perfectly fine with Seattle playing in a renovated Key Arena. It's going to be a brand new building on the inside. What sucks for the NBA is that they'll probably have to expand as there aren't many relocation prospects out there. Milwaukee is building a new arena and Utah just signed some sort of trust agreements that should keep the Jazz in Salt Lake for the foreseeable future. I wouldn't be surprised to see new teams in Seattle and Las Vegas in the not too distant future.
  10. I'm all for keeping the old warehouse. Just trying to do a rough mock-up of what the site might look like.
  11. I gave this another shot with an east-west orientation. For the sake of sunlight and the overall view of the city, I think the stadium would more likely be built on a north-south axis but here's my very terrible photoshop job anyway.
  12. Long-time lurker. So long, in fact, that I forgot my original login. Anyway. I now live in SLC but keep abreast of the goings-on in my hometown so I thought I'd chime in here since I'm a big soccer fan and have followed FCC since the beginning. I think that if a land-swap can be worked out, the West End would easily be one of the top-three stadium sites in the league with the exception of maybe Portland and Seattle. The proximity to bars, restaurants, and other businesses plus the existence of a streetcar stop a block away and a subway tunnel nearby would be great for any future transit plans. I don't think parking is that big of an issue. If, say, the WCET building goes away, there's potential to build another underground garage and there's a rather large garage right under Washington park. With the streetcar, people can park all over town and ride to the games. I also don't think that Central Parkway is that big of a hurdle for pedestrians. Here in Salt Lake, Real Salt Lake's stadium is next to one of the main thoroughfares, the six-lane monstrosity that is State St. The vast majority of attendees have to cross State in order to see RSL play and traffic cops help alleviate that problem on game day. I think the plan will be for FCC to purchase the Stargel site and the properties to the east of Stargel up to Central Pkwy. FCC will give CPS the Citirama site for a new football/track stadium. Please excuse the poor photoshop job but here's what I think the site will look like with Red Bull Arena as a stand-in.