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  1. Perfectly coordinated architectural blocks can be boring - particularly as styles evolve overtime. The eclecticism of a “funky” structure next to a traditional one, to me, is a signature of interesting big cities and creates a special urban energy. In recent years , Cleveland has added a number of modern buildings that have changed the feel of downtown - I think this one will continue that positive trend. Bring it on and hopefully more coming!
  2. Exactly - Pittsburgh’s PNC Tower, begun around 2011 - an 800,000 sq feet project - was $400 million. In 2020, that represents $450 million dollars - so I too am a little confused about a $300 million dollar figure for SWHQ at 1,000,000 square feet. I hope not, but maybe the “tower” is going to be significantly under 30 stories
  3. Cleveland.com had reported the Lumen as a $135 million dollar project (just as another frame of reference.)
  4. I’m sure the moderators would prefer not to have us all opine on the name INTRO, so I won’t. But I will say that the renderings look great and this project can only help a great, but struggling Cleveland landmark, the West Side Market. Ohio City has real energy and it’s great to see it increasingly trending as a neighborhood of choice especially for younger residents.
  5. Are there any forum members with an apartment at The Beacon and a good view into that conference room?
  6. That’s the first time I’ve seen the glass all the way to the top. Looking great even on a gray day!
  7. I still think Nucleus has a good chance of happening. When you look at the length of time from conception to completion on the Beacon - it’s not a surprise this is now something like 6 years and counting. But if the tax credits bill applies, it might be a relatively fast track. We could be seeing a number of cranes downtown in a year or so. Fingers crossed.
  8. Considering what just played out with SW’s R&D Facility, I would think there’s never been a better time than right now for the city of Cleveland to utilize Eminent Domain on the Scranton Peninsula.
  9. Hearty congratulations to Cleveland! Special thanks to KJP and the key insiders that have worked so hard to give us as much access behind the scenes through the process. Though it's not the dream scenario many of us had hoped for with the R & D facility downtown, it's still a huge victory for the city and Northeastern Ohio area. The death of the parking lot sea off Public Square will be an incredibly impactful optic. Although we probably won't get an extremely tall tower, I've no doubt we will get a corporate world HQ that will attract young and future workers on an international level. It will activate tremendous energy in the western part of downtown. SW will ensure that this facility is "state of the art" for the 21st century. It seems clear from a logistical/staging standpoint that the main headquarters tower will be built first. And I still think we might be quite pleased with the tower's eventual height. Even by conservative estimates - a 30 story tower (of this nature) could easily reach 500 feet. So even though the whole enchilada didn't land downtown - still a huge win for the CLE. And now it's official!
  10. Good thing the mayor of Brecksville had just recently confirmed that “there were no talks going on with SW”. Yeah okay.
  11. After re-reading the proposal to the Board, and remembering the indignation of some that said the Stark proposal wasn’t fair to the school district - I still don’t understand how “nothing” was better than “a whole lot”. It feels like a real lost opportunity - both for the schools - and for the city. Imagine Cleveland with the original Nucleus rising- back-to-back with the new SW HQ. Wow.
  12. So if Stark won that $35 million tax credit would Nucleus suddenly be on the fast track to construction? Or does implementation just refer to the designation of the funds?
  13. Wow, I guess this falls into the "Be Careful What You Wish For" department. I was previously unaware of the plight of Inner Harbor. I remember visiting Harbor Place a couple of times in the early/mid 2000's and thinking it was still extremely popular and a great model for the CLE lakefront. But a lot has happened in the last 15 years. Shopping malls in general have declined, particularly in certain areas that are perceived to be less desirable. Maybe some of the publicized large scale disruptions and violence have discouraged part of the population from going, particularly with the increasing ease of buying and returning items from Amazon and other on-line retailers. And yet, certain retail centers (think Crocker Park) are thriving. I think Mwd711's point about sustainability for whatever develops on Cleveland's lakefront is excellent. Imagine the sad scenario of an Inner-Harbor type mall on our lakefront with the foot traffic of the current Tower City. Thinking about what will work 50 years from now, not just in the coming decade, has to be part of the planning for lakefront development, particularly near downtown. As the city core's current residential population continues to grow, the lakefront can be an increasingly attractive incentive - but how can we turn it from a story of previous neglect and underdevelopment to one that beckons our youngest and future generations of the 21st century?
  14. Thanks KJP for detailing number of stories versus floorplate size in a possible new Courthouse Tower. I would wager there will be some excited forum members after they see your post just above. The current Justice Center reaches 420 feet high, good enough for 8th tallest building in Cleveland at present. But it has only 26 stories meaning an average of about 16 feet per floor. At that average, even the 30 floor/ 29,000 sf floorplate version would reach 480 feet and rank as 5th tallest in the city (assuming that SHW's new HQ doesn't exceed that mark.) So for fun, consider a Courthouse Tower in the 20,000 sf version at 877,000 sf - with a 16 feet per floor average. That would become the city's 3rd tallest tower at 704 feet. And a possible future tower that incorporated appellate and probate courts, at 54 stories - it would tower to 864 feet. Obviously, if judges' preferences led to more courtrooms per floor we'd get one of the shorter versions, but still skyline changing - unless some form of campus model leads to two shorter towers. I was curious and googled but couldn't find the floor plate size of the Carl Stokes Courthouse Tower. It looks to have a larger floorplate size - making me think the "more courtrooms per floor" model is preferred. The Stokes Tower, by the way, is the 4th tallest Courthouse tower in the country at 430 feet but only 23 stories - an average of almost 19 feet per floor. If that's the standard for the future Justice Center - my calculations are actually too short across the board. Finally, if the current Justice Center is too expensive to be converted to residential - would it ultimately be destroyed? As I looked at a new, rather stunning sunrise pic of the city on "Wikipedia", I tried to imagine the unloved tallest tower built in the 70's out of the skyline - It would create quite a void.
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