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  1. DanB

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    If you have evidence that there are more people who can afford insurance but don't have it, than people who don't have it because they can't afford it, than please present it. The current system falls on all of us, yet it doesn't require us to lose benefits or raise costs. No, my silver bullet isn't tort reform. Its just one of the many problems. And finally, you know exactly what I am talking about concerning drunk drivers and roadblocks, yet you have to play your little game of twisting things around. Where did I say that you couldn't pull over drunk drivers? Fine, I guess no one ever taught you to have a normal conversation sharing ideas without belittling the other person. You are just so clever to use such phrases as: -covered all of the partisan lines (albeit not accurately) -(and apparently what you despise) -As expected, it appears your silver bullet -And you don't have to set up roadblocks to pull over a drunk driver. Not sure where you got that idea. A putdown in every paragraph! You should win an award!
  2. DanB

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    I can't say it any other way. I am not against "poor" people. I am against people abusing the system for many reasons. Those truly "in need" can always get the help they require, and I think we should pay for it. You guys simply dismiss anyones feelings or thoughts. Hts favorite phrase is a strawman arguement. You can see the problems in everything the government has gotten involved in, starting with the Post Office. No, I don't want to do away with the post office, but to use it as an example, it is losing money, and what do our politicians do? Brown has a campaign to save to postal union. Any private business would be out of business if they acted that way. If I use examples, I'm told that they are anectotal, no matter what proof I give. If I say that our current system is the best in the world, my thoughts are laughed at because I am judging on quality, expediency, and most of you are judging on overall care. I'm told the government has the right to run your health lives if you are unhealthy, but if most of the public asks the government to do something about other abuses, welfare for example, nothing can be done because it wouldn't be politically correct. Did you read about the woman who lost her job because she wouldn't put someones cigarettes on his welfare card? Why would cigarettes and beer be acceptable to be paid for by the rest of us? Would the government quarantine any illness in this day and age? I doubt it. Hts, all the money in the world, unless you are very rich, and I'm guessing your not yet; won't change the problem I mentioned a few posts back about going to the ER with my daughter and grandson. Drs. don't keep the kind of schedule they used to for many reasons. You can't just pay more money to have your doctor available. Things change, and malpractice premiums have a lot to do with it. Being a doctor these days is not very lucrative when one considers the loans, the time, and the expenses. Those are the kind of changes you will have no choice to make. We have a lot of foolish laws already in my opinion, and I'm sure most of you will laugh and tell me how out of touch I am. I'm tired of the rights of the unlawful. We understand how dangerous drunk driving is, but we won't go to the sources of the problem. We have to set up road blocks, announce them, then pull over everyone. We pass laws preventing texting or using your phone while driving, yet there is nothing on the books preventing eating, drinking, reading, or putting on makeup. Instead of having laws that deal severly with criminals, we have to have special hate crime laws to make sure that someone gets punished correctly. How about if you tie a rope around someones neck and drag him from the back of your car, and he's not black; you get the same punishment as someone who does it because he's black? You severely beat someone to death, what difference does it make if he's gay or not? Why should the punishment be different? Do you guys really think the costs of this new system are not going to fall on us?
  3. DanB

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    Do you see how what you are saying leads eventually what you can and can't do? No more skydiving, no more doing anything risky. An unhealthy lifestyle is your choice and yours alone! No, you shouldn't be charged more because you eat differently, based really on someone's belief. I don't need nutritional information on McDonalds food. We all know people who are in perfect health and lead the perfect lifestyle, who drop over dead, or the unhealthy smoker who still smokes to 100. If they go to the doctor more, let them pay more, its their choice.
  4. DanB

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    You are right, that is where the divide is. One can see all sorts of personal freedoms going out of the window when the government starts to dictate your health care. If some jobs offer health care, how long before the government tells you that your skills require a better position? I will use KJP as an example. I respect his desire to do a job in something he feels strongly about. If that job does not have adequate health care, is it the governments responsibility to pay that he has adequate health care? Can the government tell you what kind of job to have? I agree preventative medicine is much better than waiting until its too late, but what happens when the government starts to decide what you can eat and drink? Oops, too late! Seriously, what do you do to the people who don't follow the rules? Are there no more personal choices? Hts mentions roads, well on roads there are rules to follow because not following these rules can hurt other people. If you don't follow them and get caught, it will cost you money or jail time. Is that the same as overeating? Overeaters are not causing physical harm to others.
  5. DanB

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    I'm one of them. After a teeth cleaning (in one visit to the dentist) and the replacement of three old fillings (in another visit), I've used up all of the amount that my insurer will pay until next year. I'm scheduled for my six-month cleaning this fall, but I cannot go unless I can somehow come up with more money. Why are preventative health care costs any different than other expenses? I can understand long term illnesses, diseases, etc., but why preventative? If you needed new tires on your car (bad example, I know), or a new appliance at home, would you expect it to be covered? Of course not. They are your teeth. If you want to keep them, get them cleaned and checked. It's not that expensive.
  6. DanB

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    I bet you know many people who have health care and don't go to the doctor. What should we do to make them go? Should there be a law? If there is a law limiting amount of soft drinks, I guess we could have a law like that. Compared to the US Health Care plan, the Canadian plan is inadequate. There is lack of specialized care, lack of equipment, lack of facilities. Many people do come to the US for serious treatment, because if you wait the standard amount of time for your chemo or radiation treatments, chances are good you could die before treatment. I lived there for a year. I read an article in the Globe that Canadian cancer rates were lower than the US because people would just die sooner! There was too great of a shortage.
  7. DanB

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    I've already said the program needs some changes. I have no problem with changes. I agree, everybody needs some amount of care. I just don't want the government to run it. I pay for my own health insurance. My ONLY 2 retirement benefits from P&G is 1) and annual holiday basket which they have been giving out for well over 120 years. Well, no, let me correct that, they have only been giving out holiday baskets for a few years. They used to be Christmas baskets. and 2) The priveledge of buying my own health insurance through P&G. I pay hundreds a month.
  8. Just move to Shaker Heights like MyTwoSense!
  9. DanB

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    He has ways of making me talk!
  10. DanB

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    Don't let it go to your head Hts, as I believe the above was in response to your post. The last words there should be any other way. I do find it hard to believe that someone as smart as you cannot see this plan costing the middle class a lot of money.
  11. DanB

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    No, not the way the government is involved. I think the costs can only go up. I really don't see it anyway. You have a little problem with opinions? You sound like the guys who were yelling at us while we protested the Vietnam war, "America, love it or leave it". I like it right where I am. Besides, I'm not poor.
  12. DanB

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    You mean like a job?
  13. DanB

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    First, not only the rich have good health care! Very many people have adequate health care in the most menial positions. I suppose you prefer a system of inadequate care, as long as everyone gets treated the same? :wink2:
  14. DanB

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    Yes, as was stated previously in this thread, that is what happens when government gets overly involved. I think the post used tuition costs skyrocketing when loans became so easily attainable, and the home market when everyone was approved for homes. Do you believe this will help eliminate or help increase fraud and costs? I see both of them going up. Yes, I believe we have the best health care system, the administration of it sucks!
  15. DanB

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    Yes, the system is not perfect. Hey, another anectdotal story, as I know everyone enjoys them! The same person in Canada who finally got her own Dr. after years of waiting, and was so happy about it (hated she couldn't get a Dr, but just loves her health care plan), could not believe that my daughter was held responsible for the car accident she caused! In Canada, everyone's car insurance just pays to fix their own car! No-fault insurance! Just great. Make no one responsible, make someone else pay for it, and then everyone's insurance goes up!
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