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  1. 11 points
    Id gladly give up Canal road, on the condition that SHW builds a public boardwalk along the river for the entire site.
  2. 10 points
    I meant to post this progress pic of Axis on Ansel.
  3. 9 points
    This new building's street presence is awesome. It really completes uptown and ties it all together. Oh and they're adding windows now:
  4. 9 points
    Canal Road is a great cut through if you're going from Tremont or the SE side of the city to the Flats or the Warehouse District or vise-versa. I'd had to lose it, and it would make even less sense to lose it if/when Scranton Peninsula, Stone's Levee, and the area along Ontario are to be developed. I'm not so sure how to balance that verses the wishes of such an important corporation as S-W, but I feel we're too quick to give up our public infrastructure for private uses without really looking at the big picture.
  5. 7 points
    Street view photo of the townhome development.
  6. 7 points
    Down with aesthetic enhancements, economic vitality and increased pedestrian connectivity between Public Square and the riverfront. Keep Cleveland beautiful!
  7. 6 points
    Plans for new CWRU student residence hall on the Southside of campus: The ~$72 million building will have 600 residences for 2nd year students.
  8. 6 points
  9. 6 points
    Most of the traffic on this stretch of Canal Road is going to or from Tower City/Breen Center parking lots that won't exist anymore after CityBlock is built. This road doesn't need to exist especially when something amazing can replace it. What it's replacing looks like what would be left of Cleveland after it was nuked.
  10. 6 points
    Off-shot discount outlets of premium brands. This isn't shoehorned by relying on people with a certain level of income compared to department stores and the like, which are dropping like flies. No one is going to travel from Rocky River simply go to Macy's nor a T-Mobile or AT&T store which you can find at just about every conventional mall or strip mall going, nor will any traffic coming through i90, but they may be far more inclined to visit something that has a product which is otherwise potentially an hours drive out to somewhere such as Aurora or has much higher novelty value. Outlet Malls themselves are changing too though and their concept in urban areas is still relatively infant. They are no longer just the place with name brands at discount prices in holiday resorts or out miles away from the city in far flung suburbs and rural areas. They are popping up in urban areas now. New Orleans Riverwalk has been a major success. Philly has added a lot of outlet stores to its newly renovated fashion mall downtown such as Nike, Levi's, Columbia amongst others. In other places like Kansas City the legends outlet is a massive development with bars, restaurants and entertainment with additional development to follow right by the Kansas Speedway and the Sporting KC MLS stadium and it has generated millions in tax dollars for the state of Kansas. I don't understand how anyone can look at this product and be so naive to think its just another mall, its clearly not, and if anything the potential major detractors of the project such as the design and the non retail aspects look far stronger than initially expected. Its not your traditional mall anchored by dying department stores and a gloomy food court. Sticking this concept in Tower City would be very brave. The business plan is heavily reliant on suburbanites and passing trade. Get in and out without the humdrum of downtown congestion. We don't have the tourism of NOLA or the population of Philly so there is obvious logic in the chosen location. And at the end of the day also, this is otherwise just an empty parking lot at the moment.
  11. 6 points
    MONDAY, JANUARY 27, 2020 Sherwin-Williams seeks Bedrock site for R&D It seems that Sherwin-Williams' (SHW) new research and development (R&D) facility may not wander far from home after all, according to three high-level sources who asked not to be identified. In light of SHW executives wanting the new R&D facility to be built as close as possible to their company's new headquarters (HQ), the global coatings giant is reportedly in negotiations with Bedrock Cleveland and its lawyers at Taft Stettinius & Hollister LLP to secure land for its R&D site. That site, which SHW had previously considered as the runner-up for its expanded and consolidated HQ facilities, is located between Tower City Center and the Cuyahoga River. It was previously considered for Bedrock's phase two casino but Bedrock has since been exiting the casino business. There, on 19.6 acres of land it owns, Bedrock plans to build the riverfront phase of its CityBlock development featuring a mix of offices, a hotel, apartment towers and possibly SHW's R&D facility. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/01/a-conceptual-massing-of-bedrocks.html
  12. 5 points
    (Whoops, this turned into a mind dump of my thoughts on this entire thread lately:) I appreciate the different opinion you bring in many threads. I don't disagree with you that this is at the northern extremity of possible siting. Sure, if you want to open a traditional outlet mall, this could be much more central if it was in Independence or maybe build it on the field where Richfield Colliseum once stood. If this was meant to be transformative by being more of a mixed use development with architectural standards and good restauranteurs and entertainment operators, I think this makes much more sense in the urban core. This in the northern periphery and at the edge of the metro in the same way that there is no "South Detroit", or the equivalent to other peer cities of Buffalo and Chicago, or even the country's major coastal cities (East Miami Beach?) The geographic center in this case is different than the cultural center. Cleveland is the nucleus around which the urban core (or donut) is developed around. In both our hub-and-spoke transit system as well as our highway infrastructure, they all generally lead to Cleveland. In so many cases, retail and restaurant operators from out of state serve our metro by planting a flag on the far extremeties of the eastern and western suburbs (Trader Joes, I'm looking at you). I was skeptical when this project was first proposed on the north side of the shoreway. But if this is meant to be a flagship property within the region and has a draw beyond shopping, I think downtown is a very central strategy when you're not opening multiple locations to serve each end of the metro by their own separate, convenient location. When you consider Top Golf, they certainly operate under the "1 location per metro" strategy and see themselves as a premiere destination. Their decision to locate in Independence was met with some controversy on Urban Ohio. The great highway access, visibility, and VPD numbers backed their choice. Other people want a cosmopolitan site search. The corner of the muni lot is by no means in the heart of downtown, but it is in the heart of Greater Cleveland, which radiates out from the city. In my eyes, the transit access is a happy accident here, but the highway access and proximity to the north coast tourist destinations, CBD working population, and location less than 30 minutes from most suburbs will beat the drive to Lodi or Aurora for many. Certainly if those two competitors are to the south in the far west and east, far north and center makes sense to me. I don't disagree with your sentiment, I just wanted to explain my viewpoint when I wrote my original comment.
  13. 5 points
    That sort of horse trading should be part of any deal to give up a public ROW. Perhaps Canal could be realigned and appropriately traffic calmed and it could go like so: River --- Public Board Walk --- Canal Road --- SW Campus/City Block development --- Huron Road
  14. 5 points
    (I know you didn't want to hear it) in an area that's growing at a rapid pace it's a different way to approach retail in our area that we haven't seen. This may be the type of retail model that we need, retail is having a big shift. We won't know for sure how successful it will be but we need to try it out to find out. This is the most logical area to place it as well, right off the freeway (where most outlets are in Ohio), next to tourist locations (another big spending demographic) and is accessible for ALL people. That's the biggest key point. The suburban shopping areas now are getting placed further and further out and is less and less accessible to people without transportation or is just not worth the trip to people in a digital world. Less traffic due to accessibility means less business, this has the location to be accessible to all through transit and car. A transit oriented car development is what I call it. Something truly unique for our area. Sorry for the long response lol.
  15. 5 points
    This is pretty exciting... originally so many of us were torn between Weston/Jacobs or Bedrock site and which would be more transformational. If this goes through we hopefully get something that is a little bit of the best of both worlds!
  16. 4 points
    Okay, off topic but no joke; scrolling through this thread at lunch and what’s playing at Heinens as we speak? Back on topic!
  17. 4 points
    Easy. This is in Cleveland proper. It brings jobs to the CITY, not the suburbs. It has a legitimate chance to be a regional draw (bringing more people from our sprawled out area into the center city, which was supposed to be the point) and so on. By this being Urban Ohio, I’d think that most of us support things that are net positives for our urban centers. This is a positive. The area is overdeveloped in retail but the city itself is underdeveloped. And the criticisms about this are some of the same that was said about Steelyard. They were wrong then and they’re wrong now. It’s also interesting to me that many of the people who oppose this stuff come from neighborhoods/areas that always had it. I’m born and raised Cleveland proper lifer. As I’ve said numerous times on this forum, we can’t say we want people to come back to the city but we only want them to come the way we want them to, do the things that we want them to do and only in the developments that look the way we think it should. I really think some of you around here would rather this thing stay a parking lot than for it to have something beneficial to the city that you don’t like. But in the same breath you say you love the city (and I’m not necessarily directing that to the poster I’m responding to. That’s a general point based on the attitude I see around here about this and other developments that don’t fit exactly what the prevailing voices like). That’s ridiculous to me. Nothing in development is a no brainer but when u look at where they’re going to build this at, the quality of stores they’re bringing in, the fact that it’s currently a parking lot and that it could potentially help the tourist attractions that we have across the street, this is as close to a no brainer as you can get in this. No one seemed to learn the lessons from their incorrect criticisms of Steelyard
  18. 4 points
    Streetcar on Public Square in 1953, less than 1 year before Cleveland's final streetcar run in January 1954. This was a railfan trip by the Cleveland Railroad Club. Also, in the background is what would become the Jacobs/Weston lots and the future home of Sherwin-Williams HQ...
  19. 4 points
  20. 3 points
    Based on the comments about the "outlet malls", I feel I need to interject. Outlets now are regular stores with slightly more clearance shipped in from other stores who can't sell their clearance or factory stores where they sell inferior merchandise at lower prices. Based on the leasing outline that was shared...there is NOTHING upscale about these stores, which I suppose is a good thing for typical American tourists and inner city/suburban residents that will be shopping there.
  21. 3 points
    While the apparent target audience are the suburban/exurban residents, it will be close enough to also provide CBD residents with shopping options. It will also provide jobs and increase the city's coffers.
  22. 3 points
    I have to drive to the steelyard Marshall's or Target. If we're getting fancy, I have to drive out to Beachwood for the mall/Legacy Village. Having the outlet mall at least close to downtown gives a much wider variety of options without having to drive 30 min to the burbs.
  23. 3 points
    Not as the crows fly, no. But crows pay full price for their jeans, so they aren't interested in outlet malls. It is central to the region's transportation system, though.
  24. 3 points
    I'm sorry if this has been discussed but will the city create and north/ south connection to this site that won't requie a car? It seems like a good idea to try to make at least 2 connections to the city grid to the south.
  25. 3 points
    At the Over-the-Rhine Community Council meeting last night there was discussion of revamped efforts for Elm and Liberty. A new developer is involved and the plan looks visually much better than the previous iteration. It's also much bigger. The developer got control of the Boys and Girls Club along Central Parkway, and they will be demolishing that for additional units. Basically the plan is: 3-story parking garage with ~230 spaces (1 fully underground, 1 fully above ground, 1 split) 5 Story structure at the corner and replacing the Boys and Girls Club. Still 11 feet shorter than the old proposal. ~280 units with a mix of studios, 1BR, 2BR, and some 3BR (didn't seem like a lot, but some). A commitment to some affordable housing. Exact mix of units, AMI requirements, and number of units still up in the air depending on available funds. Less retail than the old proposal - mostly focused around Elm street and the corner at Liberty. Better visually than the old one. Preserving Freeport Alley as a pedestrian access point with original bricks. The building will go over the alley, and artwork will be installed in the alley to make it a destination. The garage sounds like it will be wrapped by buildings. Buildings will step down along Elm Street to closer match the buildings on Elm. I don't have any photos, but maybe others do. They aren't looking for a vote to support the project until they have the affordable units ironed out.
  26. 3 points
    Most trucks to/from the Inner Belt/I-77 (which is where most downtown vehicular traffic is bound from/to) travel Ontario to East 9th Extension to the central/southern Flats or Ontario/Huron/Detroit-Superior/West 25th or Main. Eagle Avenue lift bridge (probably without the ramp up to Ontario) should be restored anyway to improve access to Scranton Peninsula. Restoring the Stones Levee bridge over the CSX track could be done too, or if CVSR isn't ever coming downtown, then remove the old condemned bridge and fill in the railroad right of way. Low trucks (like the one in the Google Streetview) can fit under the Canal Road underpass below the RTA tracks but larger trucks cannot. It has only a 14-foot overhead clearance. At some point, RTA and the city are going to have to make a decision on whether to rebuild that wretched underpass or fill it in.
  27. 3 points
    i made it thru cedar point and the football game, but when they brought back the contestant from the last week and we realized this show was two hours, i went to bed. ha. i had never seen the bachelor before and i thought it was pretty good up until then. of course they were very positive about cle. maybe it was a little forced from some of the girls, but not all though. and not at all from the bachelor, who seems like a very nice guy. who knew he could fly a plane?! ha. plenty of great views around downtown too.
  28. 3 points
    Can you give some examples? What destinations are you looking at and what routes do you see are needed to reach them without Canal Road? I'm having a hard time understanding the hardship here.
  29. 3 points
    I can see this increasing local tourism to places like the rock hall or other downtown events, but not foot traffic for downtown proper. For a suburbanite it's a "let's go to the rock hall and then hit the outlets on the way back". Its another draw to move the needle to give some people a reason to get into the area.
  30. 3 points
    It's part of the charm of descending into the lows of the flats that goes hand in hand with the party culture, going downward in a spiral watching the road crumble as quickly as your standards
  31. 3 points
    I just hope this encourages the city and stakeholders to keep working on bridging the CBD to north of the tracks.
  32. 3 points
    This is the perfect spot. Maybe they can do a land swap. Bedrock gets the Landmark building to do a residential conversion. Seeing their work on the May Co., I’d love to see that happen. Everyone wins, and the CBD will be closer to getting built out.
  33. 3 points
    I hope they keep Canal Rd. It’s such a convenient connection to the Flats. Even if it’s like the riverfront convention center plans with the structure built over the road. And I really hope they keep the rail ROW so that the Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad can eventually connect to downtown.
  34. 3 points
    Here are updates from just now ... from the 26th floor of 1111 Superior.
  35. 2 points
    ^^ That stretch of Euclid is completely unrecognizable from where it was 10 years ago.
  36. 2 points
    Came across this roap map generating website today via Jalopnik. Figured there would be some interest on this forum. https://anvaka.github.io/city-roads You can do more than just cities if your viewing device is powerful enough. I've been able to do the whole state and several counties. You can even download vector files of what you map.
  37. 2 points
    ^ it could have a negative impact on development downtown if its an outdated old highway roadside outlet mall style, or it could attract development, if done very nicely, as in with actual architecture. like for example the empire outlets mall on staten island. attractive looking is possible! i would prefer it be in midtown/opportunity corridor for cle, but i think its a pretty good spot. https://empireoutlets.nyc/
  38. 2 points
    While I’m not a big fan of the idea, and think it could have a negative impact on future retail downtown, something that I think is still a long ways away, when looking at the site and how far down it is on the muni lot you really see how this is not really downtown at all. Nobody is going to walk to this. This site is basically equivalent to the reintegration center on East 30th near the post office. I do find the south side suburbs argument a little odd considering they have the best access to existing outlet malls.
  39. 2 points
    Right, every neighborhood business district in the city should have an assortment of businesses that residents can go to so that they don't have to go downtown for a nice restaurant/bar/coffee shop/record store/whatever. But downtown/OTR will always offer a larger quantity. I don't understand why everything in this city has to turn into a "downtown vs. neighborhoods" argument. Plenty of these NBDs were much stronger in the past, like Short Vine and the Walnut Hills NBD, which were nodes that nearby residents could visit for some services without having to make the trek all the way downtown.
  40. 2 points
    One has to wonder if Tower City and Galleria came along too early.
  41. 2 points
    Or CPC could recommend that they build this complex on that front parking lot. Just swapping spaces essentially. Would make too much sense i suppose.
  42. 2 points
    That era of Tower City had around 18,000 less residents living downtown and had the disadvantage of not having free parking, like this development should have.
  43. 2 points
    It seems like a no-brainer to extend the line a few hundred yards.
  44. 2 points
    Tower City started out as standard high end chain retail, not outlets.
  45. 2 points
    Any development along the riverfront and Huron would include a total reconstruction of Canal road. It's current state is irrelevant. Why vacate another street for no reason? It's 180 feet between the Huron and Canal Road right-of-way. That is more than enough for an office building. There's no reason to vacate it other than "well, Sherwin Williams supposedly wants it".
  46. 2 points
    It was the Hay McKinney Mansion.
  47. 2 points
    I wonder if any incentive or fare discount could be implented by RTA and the development to encourage train usage to this development. I'm just not sure how it would work, parking validation discounts are simple to implement but transit fare discounts due to shopping there would have to get creative. I would love to see some sort of collaboration though. This would allow the suburbanites, those who choose not to drive and those who can't afford to drive a chance to enjoy this while boosting ridership. I believe tourist would hop on the train from North Coast Harbor station to here if they were informed enough.
  48. 2 points
    says who. They haven't even hired an architect yet, they have no site plan, no concept, nothing to even do a budget
  49. 2 points
    I don't think anyone has posted the site plan yet for the St. Clements townhouses so here you go:
  50. 2 points
    View of the JHB rooftop this morning.... @simplythis
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