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Post new or old rail technologies that either failed or probably won't succeed....

 

Here's one....

 

http://www.hoistmagazine.com/story.asp?storyCode=2052627

 

PATENT

 

Container crane hoist and system

03 April 2009

 

Leonard D. Barry, of the Bi-Rail Company, Detroit, Michigan, US, is looking to sell the rights to US Patent 6,354,782, which outlines a container crane hoist and system, to a manufacturer of overhead lifting equipment.

 

The device has lift arms (42) with links (46, 46D) connected to ends of a loadspreader (40) or the links (46, 46D) are swivelly connected to the lift arms and aligned to hook special containers (20D).

 

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I don't know if this will work for cargo, but I'm pretty sure it won't work for people. Yet the inventor proposed a variation of this idea in which people would ride in containers that would be added to or removed from trains traveling at speed. My guess is that the few who would have survived severe centrifugal force trauma would probably have thrown up their spleens!

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It could be done for people - You'd just have to have LARGE station areas so the containers can accelerate to speed, pick up the people and decelerate to stop.  Probably way to cost prohibitive.  You can't just have an arm to pick up a crate - talk about whip lash!

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Here's a sham rail "technology" (there isn't even a working model of it because, well, it doesn't work) being pushed by a sham "newspaper" (it's citizen "journalism"), and reported by a sham reporter (the writer is the Director of Ohio Operations for Tubular Rail "totally!")...

 

Emails show Ohio rail boss killed Tubular Rail high-speed trains while cheering for slow 3C train

March 7, 9:31 PM

Columbus Government Examiner

John Michael Spinelli

 

COLUMBUS, Ohio - State emails sent among a group of Ohio rail officials and obtained in July 2009 following a request for public records made a month earlier reveal that while several rail and development officials thought the advanced "trackless" train technology patented by Tubular Rail Inc. (TRI) was both "visionary" and a "paradigm shift compared to anything in service today," Jolene Molitoris, Director of the Ohio Dept. of Transportation (ODOT), killed any effort to explore the innovative technology further by directing a top aid to exile information given to her personally to a file or location no agency spokesman can explain to date.

 

READ MORE AT (if you you mind wasting a few minutes of your precious life):

http://www.examiner.com/x-23537-Columbus-Government-Examiner~y2010m3d7-Ohio-emails-show-rail-boss-killed-Tubular-Rail-highspeed-trains-while-cheering-for-slow-3C-train

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That looks a lot more like true BRT than some of the other stuff out there. It's running on a dedicated ROW that possibly cost less than rail, vehicles don't cost much more than street-only buses, speeds are fast compared with operating in traffic, and vehicles are interoperable between guideways for fast, longer-distance express and city streets for local connections.

 

Implement dual-mode buses, and they could run from catenary on the guideways and have diesel in street operation. Existing hybrid technology would drop right into that niche.

 

My only gripe with buses for local transit is that in major cities the routes are often underserved and the buses overcrowded and dirty, and there's no effort to eradicate the thugs and hooligans who tag, cut seats, scratch windows, and generally create an unpleasant and intimidating environment for respectable riders.

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Post new or old rail technologies that either failed or probably won't succeed....

 

Here's one....

 

http://www.hoistmagazine.com/story.asp?storyCode=2052627

 

PATENT

 

Container crane hoist and system

03 April 2009

 

Leonard D. Barry, of the Bi-Rail Company, Detroit, Michigan, US, is looking to sell the rights to US Patent 6,354,782, which outlines a container crane hoist and system, to a manufacturer of overhead lifting equipment.

 

The device has lift arms (42) with links (46, 46D) connected to ends of a loadspreader (40) or the links (46, 46D) are swivelly connected to the lift arms and aligned to hook special containers (20D).

 

++++++++++++++++

 

I don't know if this will work for cargo, but I'm pretty sure it won't work for people. Yet the inventor proposed a variation of this idea in which people would ride in containers that would be added to or removed from trains traveling at speed. My guess is that the few who would have survived severe centrifugal force trauma would probably have thrown up their spleens!

 

This guy has pestered All Aboard Ohio for years....

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I was just reading Jeff Spicoli's, er, John Spinelli's latest rant in his catbox-lining "newspaper" when his name and totally tubular train (that exists only as an eigth-grader's Saturday detention project! :D) reminded me of Spicoli's greatest moments in Fast Times at Ridgemont High. My favorite is at 3:40....

 

Jeff Spicoli Tribute

 

All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz (plus a few billion dollars to prove my tubular rails don't work) and I'm fine!!

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Here's another one. This one is being supported by the mayor of the swanky Toledo suburb of Perrysburg as a way to replace "old" trains...

 

http://www.interstatetraveler.us/

 

Hydrogen sucks as an energy carrier. It's not even an energy source as a form of combustion is needed to catalyze the hydrogen. So you end up using more energy than you create. Plus hydrogen is extremely corrosive and explosive. And why create a whole 'nother infrastructure when we have a pretty good one already out there that works better than anything anyone else has come up with? I love ingenuity, and sometimes that means making better use of things we already have.

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Here's another one. This one is being supported by the mayor of the swanky Toledo suburb of Perrysburg as a way to replace "old" trains...

 

http://www.interstatetraveler.us/

 

Hydrogen sucks as an energy carrier. It's not even an energy source as a form of combustion is needed to catalyze the hydrogen. So you end up using more energy than you create. Plus hydrogen is extremely corrosive and explosive. And why create a whole 'nother infrastructure when we have a pretty good one already out there that works better than anything anyone else has come up with? I love ingenuity, and sometimes that means making better use of things we already have.

 

Looks like something from the Hannah-Barbera School of Transportation design.  :roll: :roll:

 

..."Here's George Jetson....."

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Are you talking about Perrysburg's Mayor Evans? I'm friends with his daughter and her husband (who live in Cincinnati) and I have met hit and (no offense to him), this seems like technology that is over his head...

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Here's another one. This one is being supported by the mayor of the swanky Toledo suburb of Perrysburg as a way to replace "old" trains...

 

http://www.interstatetraveler.us/

 

Hydrogen sucks as an energy carrier. It's not even an energy source as a form of combustion is needed to catalyze the hydrogen. So you end up using more energy than you create. Plus hydrogen is extremely corrosive and explosive. And why create a whole 'nother infrastructure when we have a pretty good one already out there that works better than anything anyone else has come up with? I love ingenuity, and sometimes that means making better use of things we already have.

 

OH GAWD!!!  :roll:

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^ behold the only time you will see "swanky" and "perrysburg" tied together!  :laugh:

 

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sounds like a recipe for disaster, but i have a soft spot for the non-stop chinese bullet train  :-o

 

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Elon Musk to outline 'Hyperloop' idea

By Jonathan Amos Science correspondent, BBC News

 

The SpaceX and Tesla founder has teased audiences with titbits of information about the rapid transit idea, which he claims could make the 380-mile (610km) journey in "about half an hour".

 

It seems to involve sending passengers through a tube in capsules.

 

Mr Musk says Hyperloop could be built for less than a conventional rail link.

 

The current proposed 130mph (210km/h) high-speed train connection between LA and San Francisco is unnecessarily expensive and underwhelming in ambition, he has complained.

 

"I originally started thinking about [Hyperloop] when I read about California's high-speed rail project which was somewhat disappointing," he told a Google Hangout with Richard Branson last week.

 

"It's actually worse than taking the plane. I get a little sad when things are not getting better in the future.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23666173

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Plus hydrogen is extremely corrosive and explosive.

 

And water is extremely wet.

 

Hyrdogen of course was the fuel on board the Hindenburg.

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Hydrogen on it's own isn't really all that explosive. It's hydrogen in the presence of Oxygen that is dangerously explosive. Hydrogen is merely a catalyst, while oxygen serves as the fuel.

 

/Science Lesson.

 

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Now there's techie genius Elon Musk calling for a 700 mph tube train to shoot people from San Francisco to Los Angeles in 30 minutes. Thru one of the most earthquake prone places on Earth. With unproven technology. He claims it will only cost $6 billion. Yeah. Right.

 

Oops. Just noticed he was mentioned above. Still a crazy idea.

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Now there's techie genius Elon Musk calling for a 700 mph tube train to shoot people from San Francisco to Los Angeles in 30 minutes. Thru one of the most earthquake prone places on Earth. With unproven technology. He claims it will only cost $6 billion. Yeah. Right.

 

Oops. Just noticed he was mentioned above. Still a crazy idea.

 

Got into a back-and-forth the other day with a supporter on Elon Musk's (a Musk Melon?) Hyperloop who was absolutely convinced that this idea was ready for prime time. Never mind that there isn't an operating prototype and that years of testing would be needed and that it would cost far more than the $6 billion Musk says. This guy was right and that's all there was to it, no matter what I said. Talk about blind to reality.

 

He finally got mad at me and accused me of "distorting the facts", that everything he said was true and that I was holding back progress. That's where the conversation ended.

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Got into a back-and-forth the other day with a supporter on Elon Musk's (a Musk Melon?) Hyperloop who was absolutely convinced that this idea was ready for prime time. Never mind that there isn't an operating prototype and that years of testing would be needed and that it would cost far more than the $6 billion Musk says. This guy was right and that's all there was to it, no matter what I said. Talk about blind to reality.

 

He finally got mad at me and accused me of "distorting the facts", that everything he said was true and that I was holding back progress. That's where the conversation ended.

 

And that's X hours of your life you will never get back...

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